Mark Allen
The Huichols have a word, NIERIKA. Can you explain what that is to us?
Brant Secunda
NIERIKA means face of the divine, literally. As Don Jose explained, a road to the gods, a way to the spirit world, a way to a hidden universe. This is the NIERIKA. It can also be translated as a doorway, a passageway, that connects a human being in our heart to all of creation. That's a NIERIKA.
Mark Allen
Is it something physical? Is it something visionary?
Brant Secunda
It's visionary. It's a visionary link to the ancient ones. It's seen as a circle. Another word for circle would be NIERIKA and it's a way to connect through a passageway that's right in front of us to all of creation.
Mark Allen
Do we all have a NIERIKA?
Brant Secunda
Everyone has a NIERIKA and we say in the center of the NIERIKA could be seen as a deer who takes you on a journey to the four directions, to the sky world, to different places, and the NIERIKA is a doorway then, a passageway or as Don Jose used to say, "A map to the gods."
Mark Allen
You mentioned it's a circle. Do we just imagine this circle or do we actually see it?
Brant Secunda
Yes. You can see it. You can feel it. You can imagine it. It's different for every person.
Mark Allen
Does it have colors?
Brant Secunda
Sometimes it's vibrantly colorful.
Mark Allen
In the middle is the deer.
Brant Secunda
Sometimes. It's different every time. Every time, even the same person goes into the NIERIKA, she or he will just see it in a different way.
Mark Allen
Do people hear things in the NIERIKA or is it quiet? How does ...?
Brant Secunda
It's both. You can hear the silence of the ancient ones. You can hear the ancient ones singing when you're in the NIERIKA. You can see colors in the NIERIKA. You can see patterns in the NIERIKA.
Mark Allen
What kind of messages might we receive going into the NIERIKA?
Brant Secunda
Anything. A message for your life, a message for your environment, a message for your family, like that.
Mark Allen
How did Don Jose help you to learn how to work with that?
Brant Secunda
He has me fast. He would tell me fast for different periods of time. It will help you see things in the NIERIKA.
Mark Allen
How was that first experience?
Brant Secunda
Wonderful.
Mark Allen
Beautiful.
Brant Secunda
Good.